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August 26, 2006

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Steve M

What is the legal reason for impeachment? Please include known facts. Claiming that Bush lied is not a fact. Honestly, Bush could have been lied to and he could have believed a liar. No matter how intelligent any of us are, we have all fallen victim to a lie at one time or another. So don't claim Bush lied as your basis. Provide proof of impeachable facts or you will only as a knee jerk looney liberal sheep, following the masses of looney libs.

You're right, Steve, we should save the impeachment process for Presidents who get blow jobs in the White House and then lie about them.

The fact that the President and his Vice had already determined our course in Iraq long before the evidence contradicted their assertions shouldn't matter. The fact that the President was told that claims about Iraq's nuclear ambitions, vis-a-vis an attempt to procure weapons grade materials from Niger were highly questionable, and that he chose to assert the opposite in a State of the Union address, should also be ignored.

We should also ignore the fact that despite having U.N. inspectors in Iraq, as well as enforcing no fly zones in both Northern and Southern Iraq, the President determined that those incompetent inspectors were not telling him what he wanted to hear. And Mr. Cheney did not like what the C.I.A. was telling him so he formed his own intelligence advisory panel.

We should also ignore the constant innuendo linking Iraq to 9/11, and the repeated claims that Saddam would cooperate with al Queda by furnishing said non-existent weapons to an organization sworn to his destruction.

Finally, we should ignore the President's refusal to listen to respected military leaders, like General Shinseki, who asserted that we would need 300,000 troops on the ground to maintain order in 'post-war' Iraq.

Yes, there are sheep and swine in this story. Forgive me if I prefer a blade of truth to a mountain of garbage.

John

Maybe you should stop whining about all that's wrong and injust in the world. We may lose some lives in Iraq, but is there any other nation willing to step in and at least try to make it a better place? The U.S. is at the vanguard on a world stage and sometimes that means making unpopular decisions for the greater good. The end doesn't always justify the means, but these men and women accepted the risks when they signed on for duty. They were willing participants, fighting for something greater than themselves, why tarnish their memory by saying that their beliefs were held in vain? You may not like President Bush, but who gives a fuck what you think...the world is bigger than you.

Dan

Grounds for impeachment? THE VAST MAJORITY WANT HIM GONE ASAP! That's enough! He's clearly not adequate to be president. This has been proven time and time again. BTW If in fact it was he who was lied to, why has he not fired the liars? The people told him to can Rumsfeld. His reply "I'M THE DECIDER" Right answer for a dictatorship. WRONG ANSWER FOR A DEMOCRACY! The next congress and senate will have massive investigations on the entire administration unhindered by the cronie house leadership that are blocking truths from the people right now! Watergate all over again because a President and his men committed major crimes. Impeachment! how trite! prison terms are far more appropriate for all of this administration.

MediaBloodhound

Steve, I welcome your comment, no matter how much I disagree with it.

This administration has committed a number of impeachable offenses. I'm a little surprised you're not aware of this, but I imagine it would be extremely difficult to accept you could've been so used and misled, that the people to whom you've chosen to pledge your allegiance actually don't give a damn about your life or the lives of our soldiers (who still, incredibly, lack necessary body armor) or our citizens. And even less for our nation's laws. I empathize with the betrayal you may or may not be feeling.

To your initial point, though: This administration has committed multiple impeachable acts, from transgressing laws set forth in our Constitution (illegal wiretapping) to criminal negligence (lethal incompetence during Katrina), where the focus isn't so much on lying necessarily - just, well, breaking the laws he swore to uphold as president. If you're not aware, to break ANY such law IS an impeachable offense.

But to stick with your premise (no matter how narrow) Bush's impeachability for lying also finds many openings, one of which includes the now infamous Downing Street Memo that proved Bush had planned to go to war in Iraq as early as July 2002 and was manipulating intelligence to do so.

Incidentally, it's also well-known that prior to that, immediately after 9/11, Bush was pressing members of his administration, including Richard Clarke, not to figure out the best way to capture Osama but rather to do everything they can to draw a connection to Iraq. (Never mind that even Bush admitted this past week that there was none, though, in the same press conference, alleged that no one in his administration ever made this connection. A wholly intellectually dishonest statement, as I'm sure - since I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt you're not merely some Limbaugh dittohead - you would agree.)

I encourage you to read more, not only on this site but in general, if you actually believe this president has not committed impeachable acts. No one is saying Bush should be impeached simply because he told a lie; it's that his lie is contextual to getting our country involved in a war under false pretenses. An exceedingly impeachable offense.

As opposed to, say, a president telling a lie about not having sex with someone, which, in the end, killed no one.

Thanks for reading.

mainsailset

For anyone looking to understand the grounds of impeachment and/or how they apply to this president, a substantive read is "The Case For Impeachment" by Dave Lindorff and Barbara Olshansky. The two authors were on CSPAN this past Saturday night. Emotions aside, the legal authority exists but has yet to be exercised.

MediaBloodhound

mainsailset, thanks for the info!

Everyone can watch their C-SPAN segment
here and, if interested, by their book here.

spencer

Waging a war of aggression is the "ultimate" war crime and must be considered a high crime.

Cakesniffer

Maybe you should stop whining about all that's wrong and injust in the world. We may lose some lives in Iraq, but is there any other nation willing to step in and at least try to make it a better place? The U.S. is at the vanguard on a world stage and sometimes that means making unpopular decisions for the greater good. The end doesn't always justify the means, but these men and women accepted the risks when they signed on for duty. They were willing participants, fighting for something greater than themselves, why tarnish their memory by saying that their beliefs were held in vain? You may not like President Bush, but who gives a fuck what you think...the world is bigger than you.

Thank you for posting the single dumbest thing I have read in 2006.

shrimplate

Of course there are valid grounds for impeachment of Bush. Additionally his violation of the FISA laws should pose criminal charges against him, just as one example.

It's easy enough for us "Bush-haters" to justify our concerns about the worst president ever. But how is it that Bush "lovers" (pun not intended, oh my,) can continue to tolerate, let alone support this monstrous loser?

kipling

Maybe you should stop whining about all that's wrong and injust in the world. We may lose some lives in Iraq, but is there any other nation willing to step in and at least try to make it a better place?
Nice try. The problem is, as a huge number of educated people around the world who do their own thinking have clearly seen since 2002, that the US invasion of Iraq is not about trying to make it a better place, and never was. In addition to the wealth of evidence for this, there is also the track record: Gulf War, Grenada, Dominican Republic, Vietnam...

Professor Feel Good

Impeachment is partially a political process. Not everything that's impeachable is a crime, and not all crimes are impeachable.

Defrauding Congress, as Bush did to build support for the war in Iraq, is without question impeachable. Refusal to cooperate in good faith with Congress was one of the articles of impeachment the House was considering when Nixon resigned.

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